Erlend Sand - Liberale ideer - SP, Norges konservative parti?

SP, Norges konservative parti?

I dag står den Norske konservatismen ved et tidsskille. Er den i ferd med å omstille seg eller, «modernisere» seg?
Eller må den helt enkelt føres opp på listen over truede arter i vår politiske fauna? Gitt at konservatismen har mange nasjonale avarter, synes begge deler å være tilfelle.

Som politisk ideologi begynner konservatismens historie med Edmund Burkes Reflections on the Revolution in France i 1790, den teoretiske kjernen i en mangfoldig og omskiftelig ideologi. Burke fremholdt den franske revolusjon av 1789 som selve antitesen til de politiske idealer som bør veilede samfunnet: Slike omveltninger forbryter seg mot det Burke kalte «naturens klokskap» som har nedfelt seg i samfunnets tradisjoner.

Tradisjonen er en moralsk og praktisk ledesnor for enkeltmennesket hevder konservatismen. Konservatismen ser på enkeltmennesket som av natur er begrenset i sin samfunnsforståelse og som lett lar seg rive med av emosjonelle lyster. Når tradisjoner rives ned, kullkastes rettferdighetens orden hevder konservatismen. Politikkens oppgave bør derfor være begrenset til å hegne om tradisjonens kraft som bærer av individets grunnleggende frihet. Enhver endring bør utføres gradvis og forsiktig og ha som mål bedre å bevare (latin: conservare) historiske normer og konvensjoner.

Det første uttalt konservative parti så dagens lys i England da Tory Party på 1830-tallet skiftet navn til Conservative Party. Siden er en rekke lignende partier stiftet. Vektlegging av å bevare lokale særegenheter har ført til stor nasjonal variasjon innen denne gruppen partier.

På 1800-tallet bar konservatismen preg av å være antimodernistisk og dels udemokratisk, og partiene forsvarte etablerte eliters interesser, som i Høires (tapte) kamp for embetsmannsstaten og kongens makt. I forrige århundre derimot antok konservative partier først og fremst en antisosialistisk karakter.

Det tradisjonelt konservative Høyre har lenge bestått av en ideologisk sammensmelting mellom konservatisme og liberalisme. De senere år har alt flere påstått at konservatismen har måttet vike plass for en «tøylesløs markedsliberalisme».
Skal vi kunne undersøke påstanden, bør vi lene oss på en definisjon av konservatisme som både selverklærte konservative samt kritikere kan enes om, at «konservatismen ikke består av fastspikrede dogmer, men av grunnleggende pragmatisme som må tilpasses sin tid.» Dette er en tradisjonell, vid og formal definisjon mange vil kunne enes om.

Ifølge denne definisjonen finnes det undertiden mange konservative partier i norsk politikk. Og selv på grunnlag av denne rimelige forståelsen av konservatisme, er det absurd å omtale Høyre som landets konservative parti, i betydning det partiet som i størst grad fører en konservativ politikk. Ap, SV og RV står alle for likhet, solidaritet og fellesskapsløsninger som fundamentale verdier av verneverdig art. De er alle verdikonservative, slik sett.

Og både Ap og SV forsvarer en velferdsstat som for yngre generasjoner erfares som en nedarvet politisk tradisjon. Motstand mot å endre den er derfor klassisk konservatisme – av strukturelt merke (SV er dog stadig radikalt/progressivt med hensyn til livsstilsverdier).

Individets frihet. Venstre og Frp påberoper seg, i likhet med Høyre, individets frihet som grunnleggende etisk liberal verdi, som alltid må ivaretas, men som kan realiseres på ulikt vis, til ulike tider. Og Krf ønsker fremfor alt å hegne om familien og troen/kirken som samfunnets bærende institusjoner. Også dette er «god» konservatisme.
Likevel, det virkelig konservative parti i dagens Norge er Sp. Dette er et parti som søker å bevare en hel (primær) næring og en hel sosiokulturell gruppes (bøndenes) egenart, livsstil og verdier, ikke ulikt som med Høire og embetsmannsstaten. Under EU-saken har partiet seilt opp som den sterkeste forsvarer av nasjonale og lokale (distriktenes) tradisjonelle verdier.
EU-saken har da forrykket skillelinjer som konservativ/progressiv og høyre/venstre, der de økonomisk venstreorienterte partiene SV og Sp har vist seg som institusjonelt mest konservative og Høyre og Ap mest «progressive».

Alt dette gjør Sp til den rettmessige innehaver av tittelen «Norges konservative parti», i strukturell forstand. Således kan det synes paradoksalt at partiet nå plasseres på «venstresiden» i forbindelse med dagens regjeringssamarbeid med Ap og SV. Så kan man spørre seg om det er et tegn på et SP som er blir mer radikalt eller om det er et bilde på en «venstresiden» som er blitt konservative.

Liberal hilsen

Erlend

15.nov.2005 @ 05:03 Diverse Permalink

Kommentarer:

Postet av: Sondre

Tror du blander sammen reaksjonært og konservativt. Å være konservativ innebærer å være endringsvillig, for å bevare kjerneverdiene.

15.nov.2005 @ 06:29

Postet av: Erlend Sand

Konservatismens mantra er pragmatisme - og bevaring av eksisterende strukturer, tradisjoner og andre "støttehjul" til individet, da konservatismen har manglende tilitt til enkeltmennesket.

Konservatismen er på sitt mest liberale når den i stil av F.A Hayek polemiserer over de som vil styre individet inn i et "drømmesamfunn". - Problemet er at konservatismen selv, -ved å holde fast i sin samtids "støttehjul", og manglende forsvar av enkeltmenneskets rettigheter. Reformerer - eller styrer om du vil enkeltmenneskene mot noe. Der SV vil styre mot et absurd rettighetsideal - styrer (i betydning tvinger mennesker til å gjøre noe de ikke i utganspunktet tenkte på) konservative mennesket etter mål om å bevare strukturer, tradisjoner og holdninger de konservative er redd for at menneskene kommer til å velge bort viss de blir gitt den liberalistiske frihet. - Man kan si at der SVere springer fremover med Das Kapital teipet rundt øyene, "springer" konservative med huet vridd rundt - med lengtene øyne mot fortida.

15.nov.2005 @ 11:08
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Postet av: October

Du skriver:
"Tradisjonen er en moralsk og praktisk ledesnor for enkeltmennesket hevder konservatismen. Konservatismen ser på enkeltmennesket som av natur er begrenset i sin samfunnsforståelse og som lett lar seg rive med av emosjonelle lyster. "

Det er jo nesten som man får ønske om å bli konservativ når man leser dette. Enkeltmennesker er begrenset i sin samfunnsforståelse, informasjonsmengden er for stor til at noe annet er i nærheten av å være en rimelig antagelse. Og mennekser er emosjonelle vesener og lar iblant emosjonelle trekk påvirke seg.

Dette var jo den dårligste kritikk mot konservatismen jeg noensinne har vært borte i!

15.nov.2005 @ 13:41
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Postet av: - O.

Kan vanskelig motsi, når jeg i så stor grad er enig. Imidlertid er selvsagt dette like dårlig skjult reklame for min blogg, og nå som jeg har linket til din blogg på min side, forventer jeg like for like! ;-)

15.nov.2005 @ 14:51
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Postet av: October

Å være pragmatisk har dessuten lite med å være ønske å bevare strukturer å gjøre, det har med å faktisk lete etter ordninger som vil forbedre samfunnet - uten å løpe rett i den ideologiske fella, hvor man tror radikale og forenklede ideologisk "korrekte" løsninger skal løse all verden av problemer.

Om det er konservativt å ta hensyn til hva som er i dag når man skal vurdere ny politikk - så er jo det bare et argument for at konservative har et hakk mer virkelighetsforståelse enn radikale. Nå har jeg aldri i mitt liv hatt inntrykk av meg selv å være konservativ, men liberalister som deg må jo være de beste "kritikere" konservative her i landet kan drømme om...

15.nov.2005 @ 15:58
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Postet av: Erlend Sand

Til Odd, du er allerede linket..

Til October - Ser at en mulig skinnuenighet dukket opp her. Men problemet med konservative er at de bruker sin observasjon av at mennesket er "kortsiktig og emosjonelt" - En påstand jeg i utgangspunktet er noe uenig i. Til å forsvare oppretholdelsen av alt fra nærings strukturer - som den norske strukturkonservative landbrukspolitikken. Til sosiale strukturer som ekteskapet. Og verdi strukturer som religion.

Alt i tro om at viss mennesket ikke har slike "støttehjul" vil mennesket bli selv destruktivt. Mitt utgangspunkt er at mennesket er utrustet med en egen evne til selv å være fornuftig - og selv velge de levemåter, tenkesett og prioriteringer som mennesket ser seg tjent med. Jeg tror ikke mennesket f.eks ved å slutt å gifte seg, vil slutte å være gode foreldre. Jeg tror i motsetning til konservative at slike strukturer av og til kan være begrensene i menneskets muligheter - som f.eks bastante kjønnsroller mot likeverdige kjønn. Men over alt så mener jeg enkeltmennesket er suverent. Det er suverent til å leve sitt liv etter egne mål, ikke etter hverken tenkete sosialistiske samfunnsmål i utopien, eller et konservativt samfunnsmål i bevarelsen av fortidens eller nådidens strukturer rundt mennesket.

Liberal hilsen

Erlend

16.nov.2005 @ 01:44
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Postet av: October

Dersom du mener at mennesket generelt ikke kan sies å ha tilbøyeligheter til å være kortsiktig og emosjonelt, så er vi ikke bare uenig.

Vi har ulik virkelighetsforståelse.

Mennesker har følelser, og lar følelser påvirke valgene de tar.
Mennesker fokuserer mer på de ting som er nær i tid, og har ikke alltid like stort fokus på hva som kommer senere.

Ordninger som ekteskapet spiller neppe stor rolle, det kan vi nok være enig om...

Dertil trenger ikke et konservativt samfunn være det som fører til det beste samfunnet for emosjonelle og til dels kortsiktige mennesker. Men med den definisjonen du brukte om konservativismen, så kunne man jo tendere til å undres på om man ikke var blitt konservativ på sine ikke fullt så eldre dager.

17.nov.2005 @ 18:17
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Postet av: Christoffer Olsen

October: Men det å begrense enkeltmenneskets utfoldelse fordi man ikke kan stole på at mennesket ikke lar seg gripe av emosjonelle lyster, blir å si at vi ikke kan stole på enkeltmenneskets ansvarlighet overfor seg selv. I mange tilfeller er dette muligens riktig, men jeg føler ikke at en generell politikk kan føres på det grunnlag at mennesket er dyr som ikke kan gjøre rede for seg selv. Om folk ikke klarer seg, har man selvfølgelig et nettverk for dette. Men man kan ikke begrense samfunnet som en helhet fordi noen faller igjennom - det er der skillet ligger, og jeg regner med at Erlend er av samme oppfatning.

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